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America 12, Oscar Pistorius 8, Oscar 8, Adam Lanza 6, Wanda Sykes 5, South Africa 4, Joe Biden 4, Us 4, Alaine Griffin 3, Garth 3, Bjorn 3, Norway 3, You Look 2, Axiron 2, Underarm 2, Cnn 2, Bny Mellon 2, Robert Shapiro 2, Mr. Garrett 2, Hartford 2,
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    February 19, 2013
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cause that kind of fire and this kind of damage. have you ever seen anything like this before? >> well, unfortunately, i have, but it was a pretty significant explosion so again we're trying to just get our crews in on this and investigate it and get as much information as we can so we can get it back to you guys. >> at least we're told by other officials 14 people injured, at least 14 people injured, but hopefully no fatalities. is that right? >> right now we have no fatalities. we do have 14 people that have been injured. we have nine that we've transported to the area hospitals at this point. right now we've got at least two that are life-threatening injuries and the others are pretty miscellaneous. >> i've been getting some tweets from kansas city saying there are some people missing right now. do you know anything about that, mr. garrett? >> we have reports of people that are unaccounted for, and
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we're trying to, again, get to the bottom of what exactly we have here. so again, we're going to be here for a while. we're going to investigate as much as we can. we're doing recovery efforts as we speak. so we should have more information for you as it continues to unfold. >> one quick final question. i assume there's a lot of rubble that you're going to have to remove if you're looking for missing people? >> yes. we have rubble to remove. we just got a quite chaotic scene. we're still here trying to figure out what we have and go from there. >> good luck, mr. garrett, good luck to all the firefighters, first responders. we'll stay in close touch with you. yams garrett, the spokesman for thes kansas city fire department. that does it for this edition of 360. we'll see you one hour from now, 10:00 p.m. eastern. thanks for watching. "piers morgan tonight" starts right now. tonight, what really
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happened. oscar pistorius says he didn't mean to kill his girlfriend. prosecutors say it's cold blooded murder. he told me this about his temper. >> his top rival and friend. what could have possibly gone so wrong? a mass killer's obsession. shocking new revelations about adam lanza. were there warning signs before the slaughter at sandy hook? i'll talk to a forensic psychiatrist who says we can stop mass shootings. and inside the navy s.e.a.l.s, the man who trains them for their top secret missions. the last time she was here, wanda sykes says sed this. >> i'm over the top. there's nothing i can't say. >> which is exactly why we've invited her back. this is "piers morgan tonight." good evening. in a moment breaking news on a
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spectacular fire in kansas city, missouri. an entire city block is in flames. early reports is that a car hit a gas main which turned into a leak causing an inferno. firefighters are balgtzi ibattl blaze as i speak. a dramatic day in court for oscar pistorius. the man the world knows as blade runner. he and his girlfriend were in live and couldn't have been happier. he said he thought he was shooting an intruder in the house. prosecutors say that steenkamp locked herself in the bathroom after a heated argument and pistorius shot her dead. each side will try to make their case in that pretoria courtroom reeva steenkamp was laid to rest in an emotional ceremony. listen to her uncle. >> we are here today as a family. but there's only one thing missing. it's reeve is a. >> it's okay. >> cnn's robyn curnow is in johannesburg with more. very emotional scenes both at the funeral for -- i'm sorry.
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we'll throw straight to our correspondent there. >> hi there, piers. we did hear from oscar pistorius his version of events, his story. it's all here in this 11-page affidavit where he paints a picture of being fearful of terror of horror of an intruder coming into his house. the defense arguing that he mistook his girlfriend for an intruder and that's why he shot at her. however, for the state, they say that's no justification for shooting somebody through a bathroom door. they say this was premeditated murder. they managed to convince the magistrate who agreed with them, which makes his bail hearing even more difficult. the onus now is on his defense team tomorrow in that court to prove exceptional circumstances, that he deserves bail and, of course, many people watching with great interest because oscar pistorius is a hero in
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this country. and they desperately want to believe this version of events. but as was said in court today, facts are facts. and it doesn't look that good, if you look at it as a one, two, three, abc fact. this is difficult times and strenuous times for oscar pistorius. back to you. >> robyn curnow, thank you very much. we'll turn to a man who knows oscar pistorius very well. he's a u.s. paralympian who competed against pistorius in the 400 meter individual. he said that he was right behind him with silver and he joins me now. i would imagine everyone in the world of paralympics and indeed olympians all over the world are in a sense of complete and utter shock. what's your reaction to what's happened? >> yes, thanks for having me. like you said, complete shock. knowing oscar and competing with him for the past couple, three years. this is something i wouldn't relate him to. so when i heard the allegations and i heard him in the situation, i was in complete
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shock. i truly was. >> you've described oscar as a role model, a mentor, an inspiration and a brother. do you still feel the same way given everything we now know? >> yes. because i can only relate to the times i spent with him. and the times i spent with him, he went out of his way to help me out. even though we was competitor, he understood what the biggest mission was, and that was bringing awareness of disability of people around the world. he's the reason i'm here today. he's the reason he inspired me to want to compete and on a high level to get to the paralympics game. >> i interviewed oscar about three months ago. it was i think the last interview he did really for any television of any substance. he was very charming. he was very softly spoken, very polite, but i did remind him at one stage about the blowup at the london paralympics when he lost to a runner who had the longer blades. his behavior trackside was
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explosive and pretty unpleasant. this is what he said by way of response. you seem such a lovely guy, you're polite, charming. a poster boy now for running around the world. and yet there was a little moment, a little flash, oscar n the paralympics when you lost in the 400 i think it was to this brazilian wonder guy. and he had longer blades than you. and afterwards, in the trackside interview, you went absolutely tonto basically saying the same stuff about him that michael johnson says about you. >> no, that's very different. i agree. it wasn't maybe the right time. i think i'm still learning, and i'm sure i'm going to learn a lot more lessons throughout my life. >> i'll have to give you that on twitter for that. >> i saw that. that's okay. we all make mistakes. >> i mean, it was an extraordinary different oscar pistorius to the one i interviewed to one that we saw blow up trackside.
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he told me he's a ferocious computer but he also had a temper. were you surprised when you saw that trackside interview? >> to be honest, i was surprised. but you got to understand that it was high emotions. you know, in a competitive nature. he's a really competitive person. this shows that regardless of the olympics or paralympics, that he still wanted to win. he's an extremely competitive person. emotions were running high. running 200 meters and giving it all you got, oxygen level doesn't get to your brain as quick as possible. i kind of understand where he was coming from being upset. people have to realize he loves to win and he loves to compete. the fact this he showed emotion showed how bad he wanted to compete even at the paralympic games. >> it showed a volatility that many wouldn't assume existed if you just interviewed oscar as i did. he seemed so mild mannered in every way. but he showed me that he did have a temper to him.
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we now know a lot about his adrenaline kicks, whether it was driving cars at high speed or owning guns at home and so on. did you feel you knew the real oscar or did he keep himself pretty close? >> for me, i just know him on a competitive nature. i see him on the track. i never associated him with having a bad temper or that type of nature, to be honest with you. when i did see it, i was shocked. i never seen him in that type of capacity. >> there are allegations that they found steroids in his house. which again none of this has been confirmed yet publicly. but the suggestion being that he said he was keeping them for friends. we don't know if that's true or not. would you be very shocked if it turned out that oscar himself had been abusing steroids? >> yes, i would. like you said, they're allegations. so we don't know. i don't know myself. but i know he works hard. and i know he's progressed over
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the years. and i know that he's a hard worker and, well, like i said, only time can tell what truly is the true story of it. >> i talked to him briefly in my interview about female admirers. watch a clip of what he said back to me. how are you dealing with the millions of women that have been attracted to you since your olympic appearances? >> i haven't had much time to think of that. i'm seeing somebody in south africa. she's a great girl. and just taking life as it comes. start training in 2 1/2 weeks. so my mind's in the right place still. >> that clip just reminds everyone again what an appalling tragedy it is, most of all for his girlfriend who was killed. it wasn't the girl he was talking about in that interview. we think he met reeva about three weeks later. clearly he was popular with women. there doesn't seem to be much of a suggestion of any problems
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with the relationship. did he ever share anything with you? >> he never went into detail to me about the situation. most of our conversations that we did have was about track life and how we could better ourselves on the track and better ourselves as humans off the track. when it comes to relationships, we never did go into much details about that situation. >> blake, finally, do you think that you'll ever see oscar run again? >> personally, i don't know. i wasn't there, i don't know what happened. i don't know what the future beholds. all i can do is pray for oscar and pray for the victim and the victim's family. and only time will tell what will happen to the future. >> do you believe it? >> to be honest with you, that's not up to me. i wasn't there. and i don't know the situation. i just know personally that he was a very good person to me and he went out of his way to help me as a mentor and that i could tell that when he was associated to me, that his heart was in the right place.
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>> blake leeper, thank you very much for joining me. >> thank you so much. joining me now is robert shapiro, one of the most prominent attorneys. he defended o.j. simpson. no stranger to high profile cases. this is a fascinating case because we're now in a position of listening to his statement today of believing his pretty convoluted, many would say implausible version of events, but up against that, the prosecution saying it was premeditate murder. and i find myself having met and interviewed him, i find it hard to believe that he would cold bloodedly, premeditatively plan the murder of his girlfriend. i'm not saying it didn't happen. i'm just finding it hard to believe. what is your assessment so far? >> this is a very unusual case. in america, no lawyer would make the statements or have the client in this case, oscar, make statements under oath as to what took place. but in south africa, we have a totally different system.
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first his main role right now as a lawyer is to try to keep him on bail, get him out of the police station and get him out of the horrible jails that exist in south africa. and in order to do that, he has to convince the judge of something more than being a flight risk and being a danger, that there are exceptional circumstances here that would warrant him being released on bail. and so we've had what we would call in this country a mini preliminary hearing where the judge is hearing evidence in advance as to what took place. and i think his story has a lot of compelling issues. >> it is credible, do you think, from a legal point of view? would you think it's credible? >> from a legal point of view, if it is believed, it is absolutely credible. so this comes down to a question -- and in south africa there are no juries. so a judge is going to make the ultimate decision on this case.
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as to whether or not the judge believes him, it's not a reasonable doubt case as we would have in america, but simply his story. there's no other witnesses. there's going to be forensic evidence. there may be some other types of circumstantial evidence of things that may have led up to this, but ultimately the judge will look him in the eye and say, do i believe you. >> we don't know what the other evidence may be. there may be witnesses, neighbors that heard screaming earlier in the evening. that may or may not be true. all that will come into play, woint? >> absolutely. my experience tells me it's never good to speculate on what the evidence may be in a criminal trial. >> robert shapiro, very impressive to hear so much detail now, but it's all out there now. it will be fascinating. >> i think so, too. just a horrible human event for everybody. >> awful. i enjoyed meeting oscar. he seemed a lovely guy. but obviously everyone's sympathies have to be with his
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girlfriend who lost her life. i hope we get to the bottom of the it. >> without question. >> thank you for joining me. >> thank you for having me. a forensic psychologist who says he sees a parallel to the case of o.j. simpson. and adam lanz does. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ [ female announcer ] nothing gets you going quite like the power of quaker oats. today is going to be epic. quaker up. today is going to be epic. meet the 5-passenger ford c-max hybrid. when you're carrying a lot of weight, c-max has a nice little trait, you see, c-max helps you load your freight, with its foot-activated lift gate.
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if you want to protect yourself, get a double-barrel shotgun. have the shells, a .12 gauge shotgun. you don't need an ar-15. it's harder to aim, it's harder to use. and in fact, you don't need 30 rounds to protect yourself. buy a shotgun. >> president joe biden today talking about self-defense. tonight we're learning more about one of this country's most shocking mass shootings. the sandy hook massacre gunman adam lanza. the "hartford courant" has uncovered new information about his mental state. joining me are josh co-ver none and alaine griffin. welcome to you both. >> thank you. >> what are the main discoveries
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that you made about adam lanza, do you think? >> his progression into darkness from a skinny kid, bushy haired, computer geek. he had problems. he had asperger's. he had a sensory issue where he couldn't process pain. but there were no overt acts of violence until he was 20, christmastime, 2012, and there was this descent. and that's probably the most compelling part of this. >> and alaine griffin, are these warning signs that should have been picked up by any authorities, do you think, or is he one of those that we've seen so many cases of, who slipped below the current radar? >> well, i think if you look at adam's life, you know, he started off in school.
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there was sort of this -- he was in and out of schools. he was in public school, parochial school for a little while, he was taken out of public school. he went to high school for two years, then he left high school at 16. he went to college for a year, went out of college, went to community college, dropped out the first semester. then he fell off the radar. i think once we had some high school officials tell us that once he fell off the radar and he was no longer sort of, you know, under the jurisdiction of the school, they were able to sort of see his progress, he fell out of focus for people. and he fell under the radar and i guess the increased isolation is what happened in adam's life. >> i mean, the radar that he should have of course been picked up by was his mother, nancy, who he ended up killing. for your report you smoke with marvin lafontaine who was a friend of nancy's from new hampshire. let's take a listen to what she
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had to say. >> what are the activities at the overnight weekends was shooting .22s at an overnight rifle range. that's the first exposure the kids had to a firearm. target shooting is fun. >> did adam shoot? >> yeah, they all did. adam aspired to be like his uncle. >> really? >> yeah. he was in the military. she was very proud of that. she allowed him to believe, yeah, you're going to be like your uncle. >> josh kovner, you have a mother here who we are finding more and more about. someone who knew her son was disturbed, knew he was obsessed with these violent video games. encouraged him to go to gun ranges to use the guns and so on. how much responsibility should she have on her shoulders? and she's not here to defend herself. let's make that clear. she was a victim, too. should she have done more to get him treatment? >> well, she bears a lot of
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responsibility. she's a mother. i think any mother would say that they bear a lot of responsibility for their child. you know, we have shooting sports. for a healthy kid, it's fine. and maybe early in his life, maybe it was okay. they shot as a family. she was born on a farm. but i think the implication of your question -- and i agree with it -- is that as he struggled more, as he struggled to find his place in the world, as his contemporaries went on to college and went on to jobs and he ended up basically sitting home, it starts to get unhealthy perhaps. and i think she should have regulated the activity a little bit more. >> alaine, tell me more about what we know about how the guns
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were stored and also tell me, if you can, about this suggestion that he was trying to emulate and indeed compete with and beat other mass shooters including anders breivik who killed 77 people in norway? >> yes, well, "hartford courant" reporters today reported that investigators did find news articles that talked about the massacre in norway. it's a theory they're looking at, that perhaps he did emulate the norway shooter. it's just a theory at this point. just something they're looking into. but finding those news articles in the home is something that is definitely part of their investigation. >> and in terms of where his mother kept the weapons, what do we know about that? >> well, you know, we talked to -- one of the thins about nancy lanza, she didn't let too many people into her home. it was something that we heard
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very often from people, that she just kept people sort of at arm's length toward the end there, and from what we did hear from people that had been in the home, they weren't too sure of where they were stored. we did hear through early reports that they were possibly in the basement, but as to how they were kept and whether or not they were locked up, we have not been able to actually get that concrete just yet. >> i think our colleagues are hearing from law enforcement that she did have the means to lock the guns, and i think they were locked sometimes and perhaps not locked others -- other times, maybe when they were going to go to the range maybe they weren't locked. a contractor who worked inside quite a bit during 2010 and 2011 said he never saw loose guns, but i would submit that a kid is going to go kill his mother and 20 children and 6 adults, if
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he's bent on doing it, he's going to get to the guns. >> yeah, i completely agree. and as joe biden said, he even talked later in that speech today about advising his wife to just have a shotgun and to fire it into the air to scare off intruders. you don't need to have ar-15 assault-style rifles because the consequences can be appalling, as we saw. alaine griffin and josh kovner, thank you very much. >> thank you. i'll turn to an expert on mental illness. he works on some of the most complex cases in america today. mass killers and athlete who run afoul of the law. more that we are gleaning about adam lanza, it seem to me that he was a horrific accident waiting to happen. >> i think what we need to learn about the mass killers in waiting is that they are in waiting, and when they decide that this is a fas tans that
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they really embrace, they do everything they can not to be detected. if he had asperger's or a developmental disability, it would make it much harder for other to connect with him, easier for him to isolate in his own ideas. for mass killers who choose this life path -- because that's exactly how it happened for breivik and others -- they are invested in isolating themselves. breivik has written about having no contact with anyone for an entire year. and that is part of the equation. whether someone has a major psychiatric diagnosis or not. this is not an impulsive crime. it's an end point. and the significance of breivik, of course, we have yet to learn, but the mass killers are aware of others who have come before them and what distinguishes breivik is his manual and how descriptive he was to leave a legacy for others to follow him. that is why he is the most
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deviant and the most awful, the most -- really the most depraved example. it's not the numbers. it's the fact that he has given instruction for others to follow when they read about him in one way or another. >> some people think the media play a part in responsibility by overreporting these things, by sort of inadvertently glamorizing it. do you go along with that? >> i feel strongly that way. i think that for someone who's disappoint pd at his lack of relevance sh the media's inclination to humanize people who do the unthingable is unavoidable. nidal hasan after he wiped out an entire segment of ft. hood, traumatized those who did survive, his life was deconstructed. his grievances were humanized and all that. well, what about anwar aw wa lackey who suppose lid inspired
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him. he was knocked out by a drone and no one gave his conflict ors personal issues a second thought. the same crime can be conceptualized as a terrorist that we don't humanize and that people who do shocking things are humanized and the adam lanzas of the world who are alone, disappointed and cannot fit in, play off this in a way that we don't but they do. and this is why we not distinguishing this as a perversion, as unacceptable, by reading people's manifestos and giving them relevance when they wrap it around something we can relate to, that it's all about their vanity, we perpetuate it. we have perpetuated this phenomenon. that's why it's exploded in the united states and the western world. we have to stop it, and we can. >> dr. welner, food for thought there. thank you very much for joining me. >> thank you. we did ask for a comment from adam lanza's brother and father, but they denied a request from cnn.
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♪ >> bomb! >> from the movie "act of valor" which starred actually navy s.e.a.l.s. the men who took out osama bin laden. joining me now is rourke denver. he wrote a book about them "damn few." there's a lot going on in the moment which comes into your sphere. i want to get through these quite quickly. >> please. >> first of all, have you seen the film "zero dark thirty"? >> i have. >> what is your take on it? how realistic is it?
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i found it utterly compelling, but was it realistic? >> i think kathryn bigelow makes great movies. you feel present, they're well made, i love the cinematography. the tactics of the s.e.a.l. component in the movie were strong. i don't think they're perfect. it is very hard to do that. but it pays homage to the folks that do that in that operation and that's the cia and intel folks. when s.e.a.l.s know where a target is, that part of our job, executing the mission, is what we do and what we excel at. it really paid great attention i thought to the folks who deserved the credit. >> i noticed traditionally the s.e.a.l.s abhor any kind of publicity, the same reason the sas do back in my country. because it doesn't help anyone to be publicizing what they do and how they do it. how do you feel about the fact that we're seeing a lot of glamourization, if you like, of the s.e.a.l.s. books coming out. how helpful is that in reality
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to the s.e.a.l.s and their operations? >> i think we'll have to see long-term what effect or impact it will have on our capacity for work and our ability to execute our missions. i haven't seen anything that has put us in harm's way, tactics revealed that could cause teammates and brothers and our community to be in harm's way. most of what you've seen has been a narrative on individual missions. and the public has a sense of what we do. i haven't seen negative results yet, but this story will continue. we'll see where it goes. >> you were a very experienced soldier, lieutenant commander, platoon commander, training leader for 14 years. you led 200 commando missions getting a bronze star for valor. what do you think of the gun control debate? because it seems to be centered right now on whether military-style weapons have any place in civilian hands. what is your view? >> you know, it's a challenging
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issue. i mean, i think as a s.e.a.l., we utilize weapons of those nature, you know, tactical weapons and the most advanced weapons systems in the u.s. arsenal as tools of the trade. they're one of many tools we leverage for success on the battlefield. so as a soldier, as a warrior, the use of those weapons are fundamental to who we are. as a citizen, as a husband, as a father, the conversation is interesting. i believe in our second amendment rights. as i look at the conversation and the dialogue that exists now, i don't believe the weapons are, frankly, the issue. i don't think any more than you would use your car to run down a bunch of kids standing on the side of the road would you use any type of weapon to execute these atrocious events we've seen of recent. i think it's more of a mental health issue and looking at the nuance of that than the guns themselves. >> you see, when people throw the car analogy at me, i say, hang on.
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because cars are incredibly highly regulated in america. the driving death rate has absolutely plummeted since they brought in tough laws around that. for example, you have to use insurance and liability. they're well regulated. what is wrong ideologically with guns being regulated the same way? >> there are regulations on gun. state by state that changes and they're affected. but i do think they're a tool. and the infinitesimally small amount of people using them in the wrong hands are dangerous, but i don't think the bulk of gun owners are doing inappropriate or the wrong thing with those weapons and the regulations, you know, are what they are. >> but you really believe -- and i totally respect the second amendment. i sort of agree with joe biden today that you can pretty well defend yourself in america with a shotgun. you don't need to have these ar-15 assault rifles, which i used myself to try to show
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people that i have used one. i couldn't believe the power. we've got a clip actually of me using this. let me play this again just to remind people. >> if you want to protect yourself, get a double-barrel shotgun, have the shells, the .12 gauge shotgun. you don't need an ar-15. it's harder to aim, it's harder to use. in fact, you don't need 30 rounds to protect yourself. buy a shotgun. >> sorry. that was a clip of joe biden, not me firing. but having fired one, you could see that these fire up to 100 bullets in the rye haight hands. i don't understand why people need them. i don't understand the argument that the answer to america's seemingly out of control gun crime is simply to flood the streets with more guns. >> again, as i look at the issue, i really see the weapons, the guns as a tool within that
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conversation. and again, in s.e.a.l. training and what we use on the battlefield and how we use them, they're advanced versions of those weapons systems and we use them with tremendous care and capacity and focus and do so guided by principles that we believe in. i think the debate does not come down to the specific use of that tool and the details of what that weapon's capable of. and if you look at the vice president's comments, i do think there are shotgun configurations that shoot multiple rounds as well. it just really becomes a tool. as i look at that topic, i feel the conversation more drifts towards dealing with the individual that could wield a weapon in a negative light. we found on the battlefield -- one of the thing i write about in "damn few" is evil finds a way, bad finds a way. if the guns weren't in the system, i sincerely believe those mentally unstable or unhealthy people would find a way to perpetrate heinous acts. to me, the guns themselves, the
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tools themselves are not the issue. it's the mental health status and the people that would use them. that's my concern. >> i mean, there are many countries around the world, though, that have a lot of people with mental health issues that have bad, evil people, with evil intent. britain, germany, australia, tokyo. the difference is they don't have the guns. they can't get access to them. criminals in places like britain can't get their hands on gun. and that is why the gun crime rate is so low. when i speak to people like yourself, i have such huge respect for the service you've given. >> thank you. >> many of my family have served in the british army. i totally understand why you would need these weapons. >> i appreciate that. >> particularly with the high capacity magazines on battlefields in iraq and afghanistan, whatever. i just don't get and i don't hear an argument why they should be so easily available to the likes of adam lanza and the killer in aurora to just walk in
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to walmart and take one off a wall? >> again, as i look at the places ifl travelled in the world -- and i'm with you in that i've traveled to a large number of countries in the world, a most of the most dangerous places in the world, a lot of those spots are where the civilian populous in the nation isn't armed and they're challenging dangerous places and they're ugly in many ways. i really believe the conversation goes beyond the individual tool and that it gets into other parts of the discussion. and i think as the discussion unfolds, we just need to take our time and really look at results based impact to make good decisions. >> rorke denver, thank you for joining me. >> thank you for having me. outrageous, outspoken and opinion paptd that's why she's back. wanda sykes. the one thing that 99 percent of investors can expect to find
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sint reverse racism? isn't that when a racist is nice to somebody else? that's reverse racism. what you're afraid of is called
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karma. >> wanda sykes on an hbo come ed special talking about racism. one of the topics she's never afraid to tackle. welcome to you. how are you? >> i'm doing great. >> i love the new hairdo. >> thank you. >> just wanted to throw that out there. >> thank you. yeah. i have people who fix me up. let them do their thing. >> fantastic. the last time i spoke to you, we were discussing whether america was more or less racist because of barack obama becoming president. you said some interesting stuff about it. but what i wonder is when you heard him playing golf with tiger woods. one of the best golfer in history and president barack obama, two black african-american men, at the top of their game, it can't be bad. racism must have gotten better in america for this to be possible. >> yeah, you look at that and
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you have to say yes, things have gotten better. definitely. but you still have craziness out there. you still have people who are extremely racist, but luckily enough they're broke. you know. really, you look at tt -- you know, they don't have -- even though they try with the money and everything, but it's more about greed as opposed to race, i think. >> the most extraordinary story i was going to ask you about was this michigan nurse suing the hospital she worked at for 25 years because a patient's father asked that no african-american nurse take care of his baby, which is about as pure racism as you can possibly imagine. so it is still there, isn't it? >> totally. but i assume that those people probably don't have a lot of money. really. they would have had private nurses and everything. wouldn't have to go through
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this. on this issue, you have to blame the hospital. because the hospital, they're allowing this. who does that? if that's the case, when i was in a hospital, i wish i would have made that request. no african-american nurses to take care of me, but women with big breasts. i would say only women with double ds could come take care of me. cedars-sinai would have granted my request, would have been great. >> you said it's more difficult to be gay in america now still than to be black. you still think that? >> yes. yes. >> do you? because i feel it's moving very, very fast now, the gay issue. >> well, we still can't -- there's not equality across the board. there's still -- i movie probably over 30 states where you can be fired because you're gay or lesbian or bisexual. you can be fired.
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we don't have equal protection. we can't marry. i mean -- >> don't you feel it's moving quickly? >> i won't say quickly. it's moving. and we are very grateful that that's happening. we're very grateful that we have a president in the office who is trying to push that forward. but no. it's still not -- there's still not equality. and here's the thing. okay. i should put it this way. with black, you see that i'm black and you can automatically go, eh, i don't like her because she's black. that's even. but being gay, when they see that you're gay, then it's -- then they can really make a decision of, boom, this is what i don't like. so that's the thing. you know, when they see me, racists get confused. they don't know which way to hate me. oh, god, my head's going to explode. she's black and she's a lesbian. there's so many reasons why i hate her.
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which one? which one? >> you should become a politician. then they can hate you for all sorts of reasons. >> yes. >> take a break and we'll talk about oscars. two types of oscars. pistorius and i'll get your take on that story. and the event here on sunday in hollywood involving tring elts. in fact, in a recent survey, 95% of people who tried it agreed that it relieved their headache fast. visit fastreliefchallenge.com today for a special trial offer. bjorn earns unlimited rewards for his small business. take these bags to room 12 please. [ garth ] bjorn's small business earns double miles on every purchase every day. produce delivery. [ bjorn ] just put it on my spark card. [ garth ] why settle for less? ahh, oh! [ garth ] great businesses deserve unlimited rewards. here's your wake up call. [ male announcer ] get the spark business card from capital one and earn unlimited rewards. choose double miles or 2% cash back on every purchase every day. what's in your wallet? [ crows ] now where's the snooze button?
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back now, with comedian wanda sykes. this oscar pistorius thing, do you believe him? >> do i believe him? >> yeah. >> i fine d it hard to believe that you think there is thieves in your bathroom. so they're already in your bathroom, so -- but you're going to shoot through the door? what? why? they're already locked up in your bathroom. just -- it just is kind of hard to believe, especially -- >> it is also hard to believe that he cold bloodedly planned her killing, i think anyway. >> you never know, man. he's probably real sensitive, you know, and maybe one day he looked and she was out there with his scoops, you know, picking up something, you know. just you know you want to laugh at that. go ahead. >> i'm not going to laugh at that. inappropriate.
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>> probably scratching her back with one of his scoops. come on, you know that. she probably just -- >> i'm going to move you on to the other oscar before i get into trouble here. the oscars on sunday, are you a fan of the oscars or is it just a load of the whole theatrical drivel, do you think? >> if it is a good show, i love the oscars. if the movies are great, it's a good show. >> the movies are quite good this year, i think. what was your favorite movie? i liked "lincoln." >> you know what's so funny, i did. the first 20 minutes of "lincoln," you have to get past the first 20 minutes. the first 20 minutes, you feel like someone is reading you a book, like, oh, sweet god. then it kicks off. i love "django unchained". >> very good. "argo ." some good movies. what about seth macfarlane as host. i'm excited about him causing a lot of problems. >> i think he's going to do a -- ricky gervais, i think he's going to do it.
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that's going to be fun to watch. >> do you ever fancy hosting it? >> i don't know. >> whoopi goldberg did it. ellen degeneres. only two women hosted it alone. >> it is me, i go off the rails at times. >> that's why i like you. that's why i like you hosting the oscars. >> yeah, i would -- >> i hate it when it is all controlled. i like mayhem. >> i would drop some bombs, i'm pretty sure. not f bombs. i'm sure -- yeah, because i hate hypocrisy, so i would just so run through it. >> you aren't currently dropping bombs all over america on your tour, from dominican republic to las vegas. for tour dates go to wandasykes.com, click on wanda's calendar. what is on your calendar? the dates? >> i have a lot of things going on. i don't know the dates exactly. they pretty much just tell me when way to head, go to the airport. >> one thing i wanted to ask you before we go, clive davis coming out as bisexual, the record tycoon. what is your immediate, very short reaction?
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>> first of all, 1:00 in the morning, there he is, this is a good time to say you're bisexual, because, you know, 1:00 in the morning, everybody's -- >> right. >> 1:00 in the morning, everybody is bisexual. it makes sense, you know? i got to tell -- once, like, a girl can be bisexual, but i think once a guy is bisexual, i think most women will tell you, no, you're gay. >> well, i'm happy for him whatever he is. >> me too. >> wanda, nice to see you. see you again soon. wanda sykes. we'll be right back.
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